Wednesday, 14 November 2012

Coping with Christmas costs.


Hello Dear Reader,

I'm writing in response to one dear reader who is fretting about the cost of the upcoming few weeks. Here are her expenses which threaten to break the bank in her household: Children's parties, school photos (why do they do them at this time of year?), Children in need, Christmas Fayre, donations are required for that and money to spend at it, School play, costumes to be bought or made, School Christmas shopping shop - send a present, then send money with the child - children buy a present at the school Christmas shop and the PTA gets the money, Christmas play admission fee, Collection for teacher present. After reading her list, I could feel the financial weight pushing down on her. No wonder she is worried. All of them are a bit of money here and a bit of money there, but for a family of five children, with each child needing money........I can see finances of a single income family being tipped over the edge, so here's my message to that mum and other mums.


I didn't work when my children were small and I had no personal income what so ever, no joint account and no access to a single penny that I didn't have to ask for. I went without. I had a house keeping budget given to me in cash and like every savvy housewife, I made it stretch to buy the family food, items for the house such as bedding, kids clothes, shoes, birthday and Christmas presents, for school uniform and school trips. I would keep a small amount of money which I saved so I could buy them an ice cream if I took them for a walk. In all honesty, if I had a spare penny, their needs, in my opinion, came first. 


I used to do what I could to help support the PTA and I gave my time as I didn't have any money. I would help on a stall, sell raffle tickets to local businesses, I would help serve teas and mince pies, I would help put the chairs out and hand out carol sheets. I would spend a small amount of money is so much as buying a few raffle tickets, or baking some cakes to donate. I had so little money then I felt no guilt what so ever if I couldn't afford everything they asked for. I can never remember being charged very much to go to a school play but everything is relative. I can remember my son's choir and school plays costing us but I had a bit more money by then and with only two children, I used to put the money by to go and watch him. Sometimes he sang for charity and we would go to help raise money for a cause. 



I only ever gave gifts to their teachers when they moved on and left their schools (primary and then secondary) as a final thanks. No parent should feel compelled to buy a class teacher a present and I can remember my daughter's primary school gifts being extravagant and there being an air of competition. My daughter made a handmade card, dripping in glitter and fluffy cotton wool and she was thrilled that her teacher put it on her desk. Remember that before you spend any money....we teachers love those homemade cards!


As a parent, we save what we can for treats for our children and as costs rise there is less and less money. Please don't feel you have to keep up with the Jones. Do you really need a school photograph every year? Do you need to go to every Christmas Fayre? Do you really need to donate to every stall at the fayre? Even the tombola stall has pots of pickle and marmalade in between the bottles of wine and spirits. 


So, in answer to the mum and her dilemma. This is what I would do, but remember, I'm not telling anyone to do this. I would go to watch my children in their school play and I never missed any and I would find the money.....I carry those memories in my heart until this day and always will. I would offer to help the PTA raise money and give my time. I would buy school photographs for significant years such as first and last year at school. I would choose a stall at the Christmas Fayre and donate a gift to that one. I would do exactly what I did before and get my kids to make homemade cards for their teachers. If I couldn't afford something then I would discreetly and quietly ignore it and I would remember that I wouldn't be the only parent who couldn't afford everything. 

It is certainly acceptable to stick to a family budget even at Christmas and live within the family means. No one needs feel pressured into spending money they haven't got or leaving themselves short of money after Christmas. Whatever your family traditions are, they are yours and enjoy them. To this day, I have no guilt for being the mum with just enough money to feed my kids as I made sure they were well fed! 

I hope, Dear Reader, that answers your question. Please remember the most powerful word you can say is sometimes 'no'.

Until tomorrow,

Love Froogs

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    1. Parents are robbed left right and centre at schools these day, my sons school at the moment, money for school pant £15, school pics, mini pack £19.50 (did not buy), children in need £1.50 for non uniform , plus money to buy things, christmas party usually bring a class pack of something, buy tickets to xmas play, I dont buy teachers presents, as an ex teacher I felt embarrassed being given a present, but loved home made pressies or cards. xmas fair, my children get £2 each, and that is it, if they want more they raid their piggy banks. xmas food, the way i see it it is just another sunday lunch with a few extra's, most food bought over xmas, all these packets of biscuits and tins of chocolates are not needed. this year we have bought a few extra packs of the things we like, like cadbury's fingers and skipped the rest. Dont let it get to you, your kids do not have to do everything that is on the calendar this time of year, I have skipped xmas fairs in the past, I dont buy school pics, I think they are a throw back to the days where not everyone owned a camera, now they are just money makign businesses, and as parents we think it is something we must buy, try and fil this period we free things to do, there are lots on in most areas, you just have to search them out, and if there are not create some memories with xas movie nights with the kids, making salt dough decorations, my kids now they are older prefer these activities, and understand that they cannot have everything which i think is a valuable life lesson :))

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    2. Ain't it just Teresa! and quite quite freeing.Someone once said to me it is a one word sentence and I agree. Do what you can with what you have for the ones who are immediate to you and after that people will have to accept that you in you heart will want to but that's as far as it goes.
      Have a good one
      Rachel

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  2. Wise words Froogs. Parents are under so much pressure at this time of the year. Step back and only spend what you can afford.

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    1. You're absolutely right, Pat, and parents shouldn't be guilt-tripped into this stuff. Having said that, I spent seven years as a school governor, and funds for schools are *incredibly* tight these days - bit like household budgets, really. And they're always looking to raise some cash for important stuff like, you know, books ...

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  3. I totally agree.

    This will be my 2nd frugal Christmas, and i dread to add up what i spent in previous years, and how long it would take me to clear it off the CCs.
    Now, i prepare all year for Christmas, but not in any major way. Its not like we dont know what date it'll be every year! I just put money away every month for it. If i have saved £200 by November, thats our Christmas budget. My kids are 8 and 12, and never feel they have missed out.
    The best thing about Christmas for us, is lounging about in our PJs all day, eating a lovely roast, and spending quality time together :)

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  4. I would write a firm letter to the school principal and ask her to convey it to all the organising committees of the functions. I would say something like, 'It is now culturally and financially inappropriate to ask families to spend so much money on things of no educational value. The major role of the school is education but parties and and gifts are not educational in this context. While Christmas is a delightful season in the social life of the country it should be balanced with similar emphasis on other celebrations of educational value. Activities which respect the non-monetary worth of the school community are highly acceptable. The nation is in straitened financial times and parents' inability to participated in foolish spending is humiliating to both the children and the parents.' Probably other readers could contribute to the general idea. Maybe this ridiculous waste of money can be stopped by the frugal householders who care to create a better future for their families.

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  5. Three cheers for your response, no parent should made to feel guilty for not being a source of extra school funding.

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  6. An encouraging and comforting reply.

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  7. I am HORRIFIED by the pressure put on parents to pay for this, that and the other at various school functions at this time of year. It is getting much worse than it used to be. Be brave - say NO [particularly to pushy Head Teachers who have no idea how hard it is to manage on your limited budget]
    A homemade card for the teacher is a great gift in itself. And find other 'kindred spirits' in the playground [they will be the non-working Mums without the flash cars and the 'staff' name tag hanging round their neck] and get together to work out how to make the nativity/school production costumes. Beg and borrow from each other, ask other Mums how they feel about things and do not be ashamed to do so.
    Some of today's 'little princesses' are getting over indulged, over-video'd and NOT learning the value of money or the skills of budgeting. Which is sad, because I suspect they are going to need them sooner than they think.

    But love, and time, and listening ...be extravagant as you like with those things- and when they grow up, they will remember.



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  8. Very wise words. As a teacher I have always taught pupils with SEN, mainly secondary so there has not been the culture of gift giving that there seems to be in Primary schools. However, I can only echo what Froogs says, a homemade card made with thought has always meant far more to me than any gift that money can buy. When I left my primary school last Easter my small SEN class had got together with the teaching assistants and made a lovely card that included a beautiful hand written comment from each of my pupils. I can honestly say I cried over that card it was so thoughtful and lovely. I will always treasure it, it means so much more than anything that money can buy. Linda xxx

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  9. Super Froogs to the rescue! Honestly, that was exactly what I as a mum of five myself needed to hear today. Thank you. Can I ask how you create your Christmas gift/ card list? Ours seems to get longer and longer every year, and while we don't give expensive gifts to everyone it does really add up. I'm starting to really question who we ought to be buying for, and at the same time feeling bad not to.

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  10. Wonderful post! :) I think if everyone just washed away the feelings of guilt what a wonderful & blessed Christmas we could all have!

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  11. Oh my goodness, I totally know how this mother feels. It seems like everyday I have another letter from school asking for donations of food or money etc. I am on my daughters pre-school committee and I am organising the yearly quiz night. Just this event seems to be costing me a fortune. Trying to be frugal when you have kids is really hard. One doesn't want to appear to be a grinch at this time of year and I wish I didn't give a fig as to what others thought of me but I do. Help Help Help. I will do what I can without bankrupting myself. I really appreciate your pearls of wisdom and experience as I am doing all of this for the first time. I guess if you haven't got it to give then you can't. Thanks for bringing it up, I know there are loads of mothers like me out there. xxx

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  12. Brilliant post Froogs!
    Anything homemade or homedecorated by the kiddies is (a) perfectly seasonal and (b) as affordable as you want it to be.
    Kid's costumes are usually easy to put together, and your local scrapstore will have lots of things you can use - ours charges £2 for a massive bagful! Failing that, post a request on your blog as there's hordes of mums out here....
    Spend just as much as you have to - and it's not bah humbug, it's stay out of debt's ville and have a little to live on in the New Year too. x

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  13. You are so right. I am a governor at my kids' school and I would worry if parents felt obliged to do all these things. I always make homemade gifts for the teachers, and I know these are the ones the teachers remember. (I also realise this could also be beyond the budget for some). I know for a fact that the PTA would bite your hand off if you offered them time!

    On a slightly different note, parents on benefits are also eligible for Free School Meals. Many don't take it up because they don't want the school to know they are struggling, but the school is only interested in the welfare of the child and should always be helpful. If the school is always asking for money, take it up with the headteacher or governors. As you may be able to tell, I feel very strongly about this subject!

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  14. Bless her heart. You gave/give great advice.

    I think the hardest part of this season for me is that all the very worthwhile charities are all asking for donations. Hubby and I have tried to make it a priority to help one family every year but it seems like there is so much need. It took me years to learn to say, "I'm sorry, but we've already chosen a different group." When I finally started I was amazed at how easily people accept that and go on.

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  15. Well done Froogs you've hit the right note yet again and offered supportive, practical and encouraging advise.

    I know schools are desperate to help with their budgets by fundraising but it can be incredibly hard for the parents left trying to keep up with the ever increasing demands.

    I hope your reader is encouraged by your words and is able to buck the trend especially re gift giving, who knows shw may just start a trend of her own, the very gift of kindness, simplicity and home made.

    As always I enjoy your posts and I've added the "not buying Christmas" button to my blog! Shame that they're having to let this project go.

    San xx

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  16. Whilst my kids school does not charge to see the Christmas performances there is a great deal of pressure still. Bottle donations tis Friday for kids wearing trainers to school. A pound to take their teddy bear in Friday too for Children In Need. And the photos.......two individual ones and one together.......£33! A month before Christmas?! I am fortunate to not be having to watch every single penny but even I can appreciate the pull on the purse strings. Your advice is spot on. Say no, assist where you can. And I am afraid my kids teachers don't get presents from me. They get my thanks and a Christmas card. When did this not become enough?!

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  17. Very well said! That school seems to do a lot. We've never charged for any of our school performances. I'm surprised at the need to buy the teacher a present- I got about 3 presents from my class (individuals) at the end of the year and that was a huge surprise (and unnecessary), the best thing each year has been a handmade card but it's the sincere message, not just the regular platitudes that made me love it! That said, I think it's the parent that worries about that more. The kid will forget about it in an instant, so I'd tell her not to worry!

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  18. Honestly, speaking as a PTA chair, I would be more grateful for offers of help setting up the Fayre, or clearing up after, or running a stall for 30 minutes than thinking you were under loads of unintentional pressure to spend money on stalls. We say on all our letters/notes home etc. that for us donations of time are just as important as donations of money.

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  19. I never buy any gifts for teachers/helpers etc as they are paid for doing their job, the same as any one whose classes I have paid in the past for my daughter to attend. However I always send a gift at Christmas for anything that she attends such as guides or kids club where the leaders are volunteers. Anything like that I always send a small gift as a token of our appreciation for them giving up their free time for the good of the children.

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  20. You can also just buy the class photo or individual portrait surely for school photos. Or just take your own portraits with a digital camera. Just get your child to sit on a chair, with a cleared or neutral background, bend down to eye level and snap away.

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  21. SO WELL SAID AT THIS TIME OF YEAR WHEN EVEN THE POSTMAN EXCEPTS SOMETHING.

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  22. A timely post, well stated. I recall years past when we'd receive the annual, "Hi this is your child's room Mom and we're collecting $X to buy the teacher some extravagent item (Coach purse, bed and breakfast stay in VT, a futon for the classroom, etc). I learned early on that my best way of thwarting this attack on our limited finances was to be prepared and able to respond truthfully, "thank you for including us, however, we've already selected a gift for our wonderful teacher." We often made something, or purchased a simple whatnot for the teacher, usually spending about $5 if not less. The $ amount being solicited was often $20-5. With 4 children, that simply wasn't happening.

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  23. And any teacher could also tell this reader that a fair number of children do NOT bring in money for everything--not always buying the school photos or paying for all the small things that add up. So the dear reader will not be alone in saying no to some things.

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  24. I think putting children and parents on the spot at Christmas time is just awful. I remember these things with my kids and it was so hard, but usually I only had one at a time in this dilemma.

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  25. Very good answer - time is a gift valuable for charities equally as money. Food is a great gift (cookies, bread, cake or pie) when there is no money for gifts. Skipping a year with photos is also a great idea as most people have digital cameras now home done portraits can be quite nice. Perhaps just buy the group shot and skip the individual pictures. Also consider giving jams as presents. I never had kids, only stepkids, and have four. Due to size of family the kids did not get to do EVERYTHING, both for time and money reasons. Sometimes less is actually better. They have more personal time for themselves.

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  26. Had to tell you this one. When my kids were in elementary school, each year the 5th graders went to Washington D.C. We were living in Honolulu. I had to say "no". I couldn't believe that many of them would go, but my son and only a handful of others didn't go. Where did everyone come up with the money?

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    1. That's an easy answer: credit cards! @@

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  27. I agree--great answer. I never felt compelled to give my kids' teachers gifts, let alone the bus driver, lunch lady, playground and library aides, etc. I did pretty much the same as Froogs and always let the teachers, aides, etc., know that I appreciated them and would help in whatever way I could. It wasn't always due to lack of money, either...but it sometimes was. I just don't give gifts to every person I know. Immediate family only. That's just who I am.

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  28. You said exactly the right thing - especially the bit about just quietly ignoring something you wish not to contribute to.

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  29. I also am in total agreement with you. I volunteered at the school uniform shop and considered that to be my contribution. For school fetes I have at times helped out at stalls, baked a cake or potted up some plants from my garden. This year I stayed away from the fete and happily did not spend any cash. For teachers and classmates my child made Xmas cards with a heartfelt message to the recipient. For children's parties we also gave home-made gifts. CD's down loaded with popular music, a photo in a frame, beaded jewellery and even a story book written by my child. The 'please bring a gift to sell' stalls are so hard to avoid. Again, a home made gift would be ideal and there are plenty of ideas on the net. My child always liked buying from these stalls but the money always came out of her pocket money. I gave up keeping up with the the other mums long ago especially when it comes to gift buying and giving.

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  30. our school photos cost and arm and a LEG!! but I found a great way to NOT buy them--they look for moms to volunteer to round up kids and trot them in for photos--who ever helps gets free photos--so I sign up every year and since I know how it works they like me to help out--it all works out very well--our school photo day takes about 4 1/2 hours for that time I get ample exercise running kids back and forth and about 120 dollars worth of photos--great exchange in my opinion!!

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  31. Hi Froogs

    Been reading for a while, keep up the good work!!

    It all comes down to that "keep up with the Joneses" and what people think of you. That vision of your child at school with no money. My DD used to bring a candle home that had a gauge on the side telling you how much was in it if you filled it with pound coins !!! We filled with pennies.

    Learn to say no. Once you've done it once it becomes easier.

    I moved in with DH into a "posh" estate and most of the residence go on about what they have, when I talk about getting insurance down and all my clothes come from the jumble they start to tell me how bad off they are financially.

    Does anyone else find this? If they can't beat you by what they have they try and beat you with how bad off they are lol

    Always bear in mind the people who you worry about what they think of you are people you don't like anyway.

    Sorry for the ramble

    PiC x

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  32. What very wise words. I was lucky I didnt have to pay for school plays and the teas and coffees were free. I loved going to soak up the atmosphere. I would buy little token gifts, I would set a limit say one pound and stick to it. I would buy a cheap pack of cards to distribute. And they would only give presents when they leave school. But I do agree with you. dont get in a flap it isnt worth it. And make cakes or snacks to give to the children for the school party. I did it every year and it was much appricated.

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  33. My daughter primary school was the worst for asking parents to 'donate'. At first I felt I had to give the money or it would look bad on us, until one day I decided I was rediculous and decided to only give to the things I thought were beneficial, i.e. I didn't give towards a 'Bird Man' that came every year and talked about the same exotic birds year after year and sold the same pictures to the children every time. My children saw this man 8 times over the years at this school and would groan at the meer mention of his name by the end of year six lol

    I also think school trips are a problem. My children went on the ones at primary school but we had to tell them we couldn't afford them at their high school....they are so expensive.One trip is a ski trip, which I know for a fact the trip and ski clothing /equipment/spending money brought the total to approx £2000-how many family holidays we could have for this money? So why would I spend it on just one member of our family. Luckily my children never minded too much but why should my children be put in this position in this day and age?

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  34. I was amazed by the list of financial pressures the school was putting on this reader. I don't have children but hubby is a deputy head of a primary school in an area of high deprivation. I have to say the kids there have a great time and at no cost. School plays are put on (no charge), costumes are made by the school recycling old ones (some very special support assistants with great dress making skills) with parental consent hubby videos the plays and burns them onto DVD's (no charge) and gives one to all, the kids put together xmas hampers for the local homeless shelter and St Vincent De Paul and bring in a tin of something from home (but these donations are put in a big bin in the hall so there is no individual pressure to put something in if they can't afford to). Hubby puts on xmas parties with lots of fun and games and whilst we do pay for all the treats from our own pocket, parents are great and put on a Jacobs Join buffet for the kids, making up a plate of sandwiches or baking some cake, the kids have a grand old time. School never charges parents for school photos again hubby takes the photos and prints them out for parents, they may not be as fancy as others, but they look great to me.

    I think schools who are not in this kind of area, need to think more frugally as the financial pressures even on middle to upper earners are tightening.

    as for gifts for teachers hubby gets the odd box of chocs but the most treasured are the ones the kids make and our christmas tree is full of individual paper tree decorations the kids have made over the years and I agree a homemade gift like that or a homemade card really do mean the most. Good luck with Christmas and remember the true meaning, creating memories are more important than materialism and I know that's easy to say but hard to keep hold of when you have 5 kids. Cxx

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  35. My son's school is always sending letters home also, £1 for this £1 for that, or more in some cases. I do give to school fayres, but only a jar of something, or a unused book of similar.My son is now in year 6 and every year we have had a letter with the upcoming camp trip, this year it is just short of £200 for 5 days, every year we have said no, but as it is his last year we have agreed- although i do save £15 a month into an account for my son, so that money was used for the trip.
    As regards xmas pressies for teachers, we make cards, make snowman soup in saved jam jars, trim them up with a homemade tag, and whatever is lying around, either bakers twine, ribbon, string -they look fab, and are cheap to make.
    I have been known to buy chocolate from local £1 stores, wrap in cellophane with a ribbon and they look really expensive and classy.
    Xmas presies for my son i have been weighing up xbox games on ebay that i know will be on his xmas list, i have bought 3 so far for £20 altogether, and have saved at least £50, again wipe them over and wrap in cellophane and seal with sticky tape, my son wont even realise thay are not new.
    Mantha x

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  36. Sorry froogs i forgot to mention the price of school photos, we decided on a pack this year that our son could send the other smaller extra ones to grandparents as their xmas pressies,and he put some of his pocket money to the cost aswell..so i think that was justified. xx

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  37. I don't have children but am always astounded at the amount of money that schools expect. Take your own photos. When colleagues bring in the school photos and tell me what they've paid I'm 'gobsmacked' as the quality isn't that good. As a keen photographer myself I think you can take your own photos just as good if not better and have a lot of fun doing it! Reading through the comments here everyone has some great ideas:) And I believe that giving presents to teachers is spiraling out of control - didn't do that in my days! If I was a teacher I would love to receive a home made card and even some home made cookies/cake because a lot of thought and time have gone into them. My husband and I haven't bought Xmas pressies for ourselves for a few years - I don't see the point. We prefer to enjoy the day with family and a nice meal and have a good laugh - much more important than presents.

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  38. I just wanted to add that my 16 year old came home with a letter last week about a month long trip to Tanzania. The cost I hear you ask ... £4000!!! Needless to say ... it's not happening. She has a compulsory fieldwork trip for geography in February and that is about £300 for THREE days - it's in Shropshire and we're in Birmingham so she could commute and save a fortune lol. If it is compulsory then I feel they should consider that not all of us can afford that. My son also did A level Geography and had a trip in Y12 and 13 and we couldn't afford them both. Luckily his school had funds in place for this and whist we did pay for one we couldn't afford the other so just had to pay a portion and the school paid the rest. We were told that no-one would know so my son wouldn't feel bad but his teacher mentioned it in front of the class x

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    1. There are so many wonderful educators and i have been privileged to know a few and their warmth and capacity to encourage is liberating. I do hope some had a word with this insensitive soul. I also hope that there is a way fro you to fund this trip(astronomical in price) if they state it is compulsory then I feel the school should pay and not burden people whose fiances are to the very limit!

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  39. Having three children myself I fully understand the cost of all things Christmas related. My eldest is at uni now and the younger two are in Y9 & Y12 so it's not quite so bad. We have the Christmas concert coming up as both girls play instruments so it's money for that plus raffle tickets. It's usually £2.50 per ticket for that whereas at my son's grammar school it was always double that. my youngest has just had her school photo done so that is more money and depending on the quality of the photo I may or may not buy it.
    When they were younger they did all give their teachers gifts at Christmas. I saved unwanted gifts I had received for my birthday and Christmas and I just regifted those. I always buy my Christmas cards reduced and some giftwrap too. These days I wrap everything in plain brown paper and add something to brighten it up. I do Operation Christmas Child each year and managed 5 boxes this year. I save little things throughout the year and always keep an eye open for reduced items that are suitable but you have to add £2.50 per box for admin so that is an expense but I enjoy doing it.

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  40. I find my kids school a bit full on. Every single week since they started back in september we've had letters asking for money for this that and the other in order to enrich the learning experience. school photos are now done twice a year plus this year we had a whole school one too. Alot of parents can't afford it i pay out what i can. This year school seem to edging on extra cheeky this year we've also been upped to 2 books of raffle tickets to each child and we are not being tapped for money via txt message. it's madness.

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